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#1 Posted By: 
deadsmell on Mar 25 2008 1:27PM
yeah we played our first match in the tournament against six feet under, and all they did was noobtube the entire time. isn't that considered an exploit? it always has been in the past. its too bad that people would rather use that mindless tube than engage in a real fight, and show that they are truly the better team through superior gameplay and tactics. i was disgusted, and i really cant believe that isn't considered cheating in this tournament. so you guys are going to fly 8 noobtubers out to NY so they can show KAOS exactly why the tube needs to be nerfed. i was hoping that by participating in this tournament i would get the chance to play against some like-minded individuals that enjoy the competition and sportsmanship of a tournament. anyway i would really like get a response on this from one of the admins, cuz this is not how competitive gaming is supposed to be played. seeing as how this site doesn't work half the time though, i doubt i ever will. im extrememly dissapointed, this tournament is a joke.
deadsmell on Mar 25 2008 1:27PMyeah we played our first match in the tournament against six feet under, and all they did was noobtube the entire time. isn't that considered an exploit? it always has been in the past. its too bad that people would rather use that mindless tube than engage in a real fight, and show that they are truly the better team through superior gameplay and tactics. i was disgusted, and i really cant believe that isn't considered cheating in this tournament. so you guys are going to fly 8 noobtubers out to NY so they can show KAOS exactly why the tube needs to be nerfed. i was hoping that by participating in this tournament i would get the chance to play against some like-minded individuals that enjoy the competition and sportsmanship of a tournament. anyway i would really like get a response on this from one of the admins, cuz this is not how competitive gaming is supposed to be played. seeing as how this site doesn't work half the time though, i doubt i ever will. im extrememly dissapointed, this tournament is a joke.
#3 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 26 2008 9:53PM
WOW... what a great example of "poor sports". this team.... fellow gamers obviously cant take a loss well. the 203 wasnt the only weapon used in this match though is was used by BOTH teams, we i guess just used it better. i guess O.G.C doesnt understand what competitive gaming means, for 1- the goal is to (obviously) beat your opponent. 2- use strategy and the provided weapons to do so. in my opinion i wouldnt want to give the opposing team any chance to kill me so my goal is to take them out the quickest way possible so i dont die. now the 203 is a great weapon that u can carry with you to eliminate the opponent rather swiftly, you have to think the other team is going to use the same tactics as you, to kill you before you kill them.....duh!
id have to be an idiot to "engage in a so called real fight " is there any real fights in war? um ..... no its kill or be killed. now i remember being 203'd numerous times in this match , also being mortar droned, which is basically a 203 on wheels so your body is not in the so called "real fight" i dont know what pisses me off more listening to noobs cry when they loose, or cry about the way they lost. i mean cmon guys your idea of good match is camping back in a corner and sending remote controlled drones out so you dont die? are you sure you werent "disgusted" in your own teams "superior gameplay and tactics" people like you shouldn't compete in tournaments if your gonna cry about losing to the other team due to the lack of your "superior gameplay and tactics" i do agree some tournaments have certain restrictions on weapons in the game, this game however does not because it is a fair fight everyone can start with the 203 , its not like someone can sit and spawn camp the 203, everyone has a fair chance to use it, so if you find yourself losing a 203 fight, it sounds to me like you have some work to do. whats that saying ...practice makes perfect. you can piss and moan about every weapon in every game, the fact of the matter is if someone is better with a weapon than their opponent they always have some smart ass remark to say about it, ie. tank whore, chopper whore, sniper whore, all u can use is the noob tube, all this all that WAAAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAAA if you guys cant handle a little competiton then get off the ladder cuz you will always have something to complain about. you guys should man up and put up or shut up!
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 26 2008 9:53PMWOW... what a great example of "poor sports". this team.... fellow gamers obviously cant take a loss well. the 203 wasnt the only weapon used in this match though is was used by BOTH teams, we i guess just used it better. i guess O.G.C doesnt understand what competitive gaming means, for 1- the goal is to (obviously) beat your opponent. 2- use strategy and the provided weapons to do so. in my opinion i wouldnt want to give the opposing team any chance to kill me so my goal is to take them out the quickest way possible so i dont die. now the 203 is a great weapon that u can carry with you to eliminate the opponent rather swiftly, you have to think the other team is going to use the same tactics as you, to kill you before you kill them.....duh!
id have to be an idiot to "engage in a so called real fight " is there any real fights in war? um ..... no its kill or be killed. now i remember being 203'd numerous times in this match , also being mortar droned, which is basically a 203 on wheels so your body is not in the so called "real fight" i dont know what pisses me off more listening to noobs cry when they loose, or cry about the way they lost. i mean cmon guys your idea of good match is camping back in a corner and sending remote controlled drones out so you dont die? are you sure you werent "disgusted" in your own teams "superior gameplay and tactics" people like you shouldn't compete in tournaments if your gonna cry about losing to the other team due to the lack of your "superior gameplay and tactics" i do agree some tournaments have certain restrictions on weapons in the game, this game however does not because it is a fair fight everyone can start with the 203 , its not like someone can sit and spawn camp the 203, everyone has a fair chance to use it, so if you find yourself losing a 203 fight, it sounds to me like you have some work to do. whats that saying ...practice makes perfect. you can piss and moan about every weapon in every game, the fact of the matter is if someone is better with a weapon than their opponent they always have some smart ass remark to say about it, ie. tank whore, chopper whore, sniper whore, all u can use is the noob tube, all this all that WAAAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAAA if you guys cant handle a little competiton then get off the ladder cuz you will always have something to complain about. you guys should man up and put up or shut up!
#4 Posted By: GGL Beef on Mar 27 2008 5:17AM
Using grenade launchers is not an exploit. Getting to the outside of a map or an area normally blocked off from players would be an exploit. The use of grenade launchers is still being decided upon but at the moment, they stand as a usable weapon.
GGL Beef on Mar 27 2008 5:17AMUsing grenade launchers is not an exploit. Getting to the outside of a map or an area normally blocked off from players would be an exploit. The use of grenade launchers is still being decided upon but at the moment, they stand as a usable weapon.
#5 Posted By: shadowace007 on Mar 27 2008 8:42AM
i agree with epic but i do think it is cheap to go all tubes and auto turrets. But thats something that can be beat it just takes out thinking the opponent, and not doing stupid things like running out in the open where they can see you.
shadowace007 on Mar 27 2008 8:42AMi agree with epic but i do think it is cheap to go all tubes and auto turrets. But thats something that can be beat it just takes out thinking the opponent, and not doing stupid things like running out in the open where they can see you.
#6 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 27 2008 1:11PM
yeah whatever our team is all ranked in the top 150 spots on the leaderboard. none of us have ever even seen any of your team playing online. i saw gibbs down around 1720 on the leaderboards with like 20 hours played. you guys dont even play this game, you just come on and tube for the tournament cuz thats all you can do.
if you really want to act like a "good sport" it starts by actually being one and playing a good game.
as far as im concerned you guys are garbage.
Are you seriously comparing the mortar drone and the noob tube?..ok...if you say so.. i doubt that even happened though because there werent even enough kills registered to level up the mortar drone, so your either confused, or your lying.
im betting on the latter, because as youve already proven, youll do whatever it takes to win, or be right, even if it means cheating or lying.
deadsmell on Mar 27 2008 1:11PMyeah whatever our team is all ranked in the top 150 spots on the leaderboard. none of us have ever even seen any of your team playing online. i saw gibbs down around 1720 on the leaderboards with like 20 hours played. you guys dont even play this game, you just come on and tube for the tournament cuz thats all you can do.
if you really want to act like a "good sport" it starts by actually being one and playing a good game.
as far as im concerned you guys are garbage.
Are you seriously comparing the mortar drone and the noob tube?..ok...if you say so.. i doubt that even happened though because there werent even enough kills registered to level up the mortar drone, so your either confused, or your lying.
im betting on the latter, because as youve already proven, youll do whatever it takes to win, or be right, even if it means cheating or lying.
#7 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 27 2008 1:23PM
also ggl beef, you guys should sit in on one sixfeetunders matches if you need to see why the tube doesn't belong in this tournament.
also if six feet under wants to play a match that doesnt include the assault kit ( since you cant use it responsibly). then id be happy to show you what sorry gamers you really are.
deadsmell on Mar 27 2008 1:23PMalso ggl beef, you guys should sit in on one sixfeetunders matches if you need to see why the tube doesn't belong in this tournament.
also if six feet under wants to play a match that doesnt include the assault kit ( since you cant use it responsibly). then id be happy to show you what sorry gamers you really are.
#9 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 27 2008 3:26PM
and as for being the top ranked spots!! LMAO again, at you sitting there for that many hours trying to get good at this game. and gibbs is in what 1720 and we still beat you whats that say for you guys? yeah go ahead say it, but guess what we still beat you, fair and square buddy, with legal and legit weapons that u guys couldnt think of some "superior gameplay and tactics" to beat us with.......
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 27 2008 3:26PMand as for being the top ranked spots!! LMAO again, at you sitting there for that many hours trying to get good at this game. and gibbs is in what 1720 and we still beat you whats that say for you guys? yeah go ahead say it, but guess what we still beat you, fair and square buddy, with legal and legit weapons that u guys couldnt think of some "superior gameplay and tactics" to beat us with.......
#10 Posted By: Ractus on Mar 27 2008 4:23PM
we just were not prepared for it, dont usually use it in game unless in dire circumstances; Ive been in many GL fights where both players were missed by the nade wounded and dodging bullets, seeing who can reload faster and pop another small round off. Ive also seen 1 player dominate a capture via defending w/ the gl. You guys have to understand that in the regular game, it is disgraceful to use the GL as a primary. And I myself actually had to discipline myself not to use it anymore or not as much, but the Tourney is different now; the GL has been delcared that it is not an exploit, it is what it is. I actually wish you two wouldnt battle like this, I would like to spar with 6FTU, you guys were good IMO. Although you might have stroked that tube a little much, ya shouldnt do that; it'll make you go blind.....
Ractus on Mar 27 2008 4:23PMwe just were not prepared for it, dont usually use it in game unless in dire circumstances; Ive been in many GL fights where both players were missed by the nade wounded and dodging bullets, seeing who can reload faster and pop another small round off. Ive also seen 1 player dominate a capture via defending w/ the gl. You guys have to understand that in the regular game, it is disgraceful to use the GL as a primary. And I myself actually had to discipline myself not to use it anymore or not as much, but the Tourney is different now; the GL has been delcared that it is not an exploit, it is what it is. I actually wish you two wouldnt battle like this, I would like to spar with 6FTU, you guys were good IMO. Although you might have stroked that tube a little much, ya shouldnt do that; it'll make you go blind.....
#11 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 27 2008 6:01PM
hey thanks ractus finally a reasonable person! listen, im not one who wants to argue like this but i cant stand a person putting down another team for beating them in a competition. he just came right out and accused left and right and put our name down the gutter right out in the public! i just think this is the most childish act. but hey it is what it is but this time i just had to stand up to it, but you know we all can agree on our own lil rules prior to a match being started, so that at the end of the game we are both happy with the results. but thanks for not just coming out and steppin on us. i hope to see u next week for match number 2!
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 27 2008 6:01PMhey thanks ractus finally a reasonable person! listen, im not one who wants to argue like this but i cant stand a person putting down another team for beating them in a competition. he just came right out and accused left and right and put our name down the gutter right out in the public! i just think this is the most childish act. but hey it is what it is but this time i just had to stand up to it, but you know we all can agree on our own lil rules prior to a match being started, so that at the end of the game we are both happy with the results. but thanks for not just coming out and steppin on us. i hope to see u next week for match number 2!
#12 Posted By: shadowace007 on Mar 27 2008 8:05PM
Guys i do understand that this is a tournament for cash. But stop arguing over it and play the game. Its not like yelling about its going to fix it, it may be wrong, but this topic as turned into a shouting match. If you have a problem with another team go kick there ass in a game, don't cry and scream about it. Its a game, your suppose to have fun, and the tournament is so you and a group of player can play other coordinated players for bragging rights and some cash on the side not to yell and scream at each other.
shadowace007 on Mar 27 2008 8:05PMGuys i do understand that this is a tournament for cash. But stop arguing over it and play the game. Its not like yelling about its going to fix it, it may be wrong, but this topic as turned into a shouting match. If you have a problem with another team go kick there ass in a game, don't cry and scream about it. Its a game, your suppose to have fun, and the tournament is so you and a group of player can play other coordinated players for bragging rights and some cash on the side not to yell and scream at each other.
#13 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Mar 27 2008 10:30PM
As far as GL's are concerned, I'm finding more and more that we're finding reasons to need to switch classes and techs as strategy develops. Play in a top tier match and you'll see it is not all "GL's and Auto Turrets", but requires plenty of strategy and shooting skill.
That said, the game is more about teamwork than anything. I think most of the teams actively playing would agree.
Lets all focus on a common enemy: Village. Get it out of here. Roundabout is so much better. I wouldn't even mind learning it for the bracket.
Skyllus vBi on Mar 27 2008 10:30PMAs far as GL's are concerned, I'm finding more and more that we're finding reasons to need to switch classes and techs as strategy develops. Play in a top tier match and you'll see it is not all "GL's and Auto Turrets", but requires plenty of strategy and shooting skill.
That said, the game is more about teamwork than anything. I think most of the teams actively playing would agree.
Lets all focus on a common enemy: Village. Get it out of here. Roundabout is so much better. I wouldn't even mind learning it for the bracket.
#14 Posted By: sGt HarDKorE on Mar 28 2008 12:26AM
We had the same thing when we had are first clan match. We were planning on having the matches be more stealthier and more strategic, and we overlooked the idea of just using gernade launchers. It was realy sad how bad we got slaughtered. We went in with are plan but the gernade launchers just tore up. Although it does take skill out of the matches, i wouldnt say its a really big deal, i mean you just got to practice with the launcher and get better and use it back. I think a bigger issue is the time limit. Once your down, your basically stuck down because you have no time to replan. I wouldnt mind though seeing gernade launchers gone simply to make the game more interesting in my opinion
sGt HarDKorE on Mar 28 2008 12:26AMWe had the same thing when we had are first clan match. We were planning on having the matches be more stealthier and more strategic, and we overlooked the idea of just using gernade launchers. It was realy sad how bad we got slaughtered. We went in with are plan but the gernade launchers just tore up. Although it does take skill out of the matches, i wouldnt say its a really big deal, i mean you just got to practice with the launcher and get better and use it back. I think a bigger issue is the time limit. Once your down, your basically stuck down because you have no time to replan. I wouldnt mind though seeing gernade launchers gone simply to make the game more interesting in my opinion
#15 Posted By: Ractus on Mar 28 2008 10:23AM
"utilize the weaponry or you will lose" its that simple.
Ractus on Mar 28 2008 10:23AM"utilize the weaponry or you will lose" its that simple.
#16 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:56PM
so by stating the facts about how you guys play i dragged your name in the gutter huh...now im lmao. im childish? lmao!! your the ones noob tubing like a bunch of 6 year olds lmao. ahh thats funny.
yeah next time no tubes for the noobs. agreed?
you say you cant let my posting here slide without a comment, well thats the same way i feel about the way you guys are playing in the tournament. i cant just not say anything about that.
deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:56PMso by stating the facts about how you guys play i dragged your name in the gutter huh...now im lmao. im childish? lmao!! your the ones noob tubing like a bunch of 6 year olds lmao. ahh thats funny.
yeah next time no tubes for the noobs. agreed?
you say you cant let my posting here slide without a comment, well thats the same way i feel about the way you guys are playing in the tournament. i cant just not say anything about that.
#17 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:57PM
so by stating the facts about how you guys play i dragged your name in the gutter huh...now im lmao. im childish? lmao!! your the ones noob tubing like a bunch of 6 year olds lmao. ahh thats funny.
yeah next time no tubes for the noobs. agreed?
you say you cant let my posting here slide without a comment, well thats the same way i feel about the way you guys are playing in the tournament. i cant just not say anything about that.
deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:57PMso by stating the facts about how you guys play i dragged your name in the gutter huh...now im lmao. im childish? lmao!! your the ones noob tubing like a bunch of 6 year olds lmao. ahh thats funny.
yeah next time no tubes for the noobs. agreed?
you say you cant let my posting here slide without a comment, well thats the same way i feel about the way you guys are playing in the tournament. i cant just not say anything about that.
#18 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:58PM
so by stating the facts about how you guys play i dragged your name in the gutter huh...now im lmao. im childish? lmao!! your the ones noob tubing like a bunch of 6 year olds lmao. ahh thats funny.
yeah next time no tubes for the noobs. agreed?
you say you cant let my posting here slide without a comment, well thats the same way i feel about the way you guys are playing in the tournament. i cant just not say anything about that.
deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:58PMso by stating the facts about how you guys play i dragged your name in the gutter huh...now im lmao. im childish? lmao!! your the ones noob tubing like a bunch of 6 year olds lmao. ahh thats funny.
yeah next time no tubes for the noobs. agreed?
you say you cant let my posting here slide without a comment, well thats the same way i feel about the way you guys are playing in the tournament. i cant just not say anything about that.
#19 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:59PM
well thats lame, i didnt realize it was posting on the next page, so i kept trying to post it. my bad.
deadsmell on Mar 28 2008 12:59PMwell thats lame, i didnt realize it was posting on the next page, so i kept trying to post it. my bad.
#20 Posted By: SC ATWILL on Mar 28 2008 3:03PM
yeah the noob tube (as people like calling it) is kinda cheap but its in the game and just like every other weapon it takes skill. yeah ive been owned by it many times but i dont run to the forums to bitch and whine at the team that beat us fair and square so just stop whining, if u cant handle it just dont play the tournament
SC ATWILL on Mar 28 2008 3:03PMyeah the noob tube (as people like calling it) is kinda cheap but its in the game and just like every other weapon it takes skill. yeah ive been owned by it many times but i dont run to the forums to bitch and whine at the team that beat us fair and square so just stop whining, if u cant handle it just dont play the tournament
#21 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 28 2008 4:16PM
thats some good feedback from all of you its nice to hear everyones opinion....
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 28 2008 4:16PMthats some good feedback from all of you its nice to hear everyones opinion....
#22 Posted By: Ractus on Mar 29 2008 6:43AM
ok new rule, each player starts with six shot of tequilla in front of him/her at the beginning of each round. Everytime you use the GL, you must take a shot(chilled patron is the best IMO). If you run out of shots by the end of the round, it will definatley effect the next one, thus evening things out a bit(the game is all about balance ya know). If you clear all shots by the end of the full match, well then; you deserve the way you will feel because your a sloppy bastard. What do you guys think? Do you think Kaos will be ok with this rule change? and should we tapes ourselves playing just to make sure nobody cheats?
Ractus on Mar 29 2008 6:43AMok new rule, each player starts with six shot of tequilla in front of him/her at the beginning of each round. Everytime you use the GL, you must take a shot(chilled patron is the best IMO). If you run out of shots by the end of the round, it will definatley effect the next one, thus evening things out a bit(the game is all about balance ya know). If you clear all shots by the end of the full match, well then; you deserve the way you will feel because your a sloppy bastard. What do you guys think? Do you think Kaos will be ok with this rule change? and should we tapes ourselves playing just to make sure nobody cheats?
#23 Posted By: Ractus on Mar 29 2008 6:58AM
on a serious note, since they will want to see variety in NY and the GL is hot topic and we all know it, MAYBE; only one player per team should be allowed to use the assualt rifle and each team has to know who that player is so there is no confusion and we are not doing overkill on watching the kill list. That would be the ONLY given, just an idea. any thoughts? I really dont want to see the GL banned but then I don't want to over use it as well; I dont excpect to see this idea to be implemented, just a random thought I had.
Ractus on Mar 29 2008 6:58AMon a serious note, since they will want to see variety in NY and the GL is hot topic and we all know it, MAYBE; only one player per team should be allowed to use the assualt rifle and each team has to know who that player is so there is no confusion and we are not doing overkill on watching the kill list. That would be the ONLY given, just an idea. any thoughts? I really dont want to see the GL banned but then I don't want to over use it as well; I dont excpect to see this idea to be implemented, just a random thought I had.
#24 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Mar 29 2008 11:39AM
I wouldn't mind seeing rules put in place for the finals if they want to see some special variety or whatever. The main issue I here is that if the Assault kit is banned entirely, what kind of variety do you really get? Every other gun in the game is a machine gun with the exception of the shotgun class which I don't think many people would use.
I also think it might lead to the special ops class being overpowered due to being able to put C4 all over flag points without fear of a grenade coming in and clearing it all out (we had this happen in our match, I think, Ractus). C4 kills while taking a flag are just as lame as grenade launcher deaths.
As far as entertainment goes, I think that long range grenade launcher kills are probably one of the most skilled shots in the game right now (with the possible exception of long range shotgun headshots). Machinge gun battles are sloppy in this game due to the sprinting making strafing easy. I'd rather watch quick, fast kills with GL's than bad machine gun battles which take 3-4 seconds due to one guy sprinting side to side.
Skyllus vBi on Mar 29 2008 11:39AMI wouldn't mind seeing rules put in place for the finals if they want to see some special variety or whatever. The main issue I here is that if the Assault kit is banned entirely, what kind of variety do you really get? Every other gun in the game is a machine gun with the exception of the shotgun class which I don't think many people would use.
I also think it might lead to the special ops class being overpowered due to being able to put C4 all over flag points without fear of a grenade coming in and clearing it all out (we had this happen in our match, I think, Ractus). C4 kills while taking a flag are just as lame as grenade launcher deaths.
As far as entertainment goes, I think that long range grenade launcher kills are probably one of the most skilled shots in the game right now (with the possible exception of long range shotgun headshots). Machinge gun battles are sloppy in this game due to the sprinting making strafing easy. I'd rather watch quick, fast kills with GL's than bad machine gun battles which take 3-4 seconds due to one guy sprinting side to side.
#25 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 29 2008 12:29PM
dude this is one of the few games out there that gives gamers the opportunity to have really good firefights.
when did people get so clueless. if you want a reflex game play unreal tournament.
i guess nobody at ggl is qualified to make the decision to ban the gl. At least teamcompete.com acknowledges the gl in the rules.
i didnt realize this was the state competitive gaming was in. I thought i was going to get to play some of the best games, against the best players, but i get better competition just playing in public games.
I think its even crazier that more people dont feel the way i do about it. it makes no sense. i would take a firefight anyday. yeah it takes a little longer, and requires more effort, but thats the point.
The day frontlines came out, a friend of mine came over and watched me play for a bit. he doesnt even play games. even he saw the noob tube in action and said " jee thats gotta get old fast" thats a guy who doesnt even play video games noticing after a few minutes of observation that the noob tube is lame. i would just hope that in the interest and spirit of good competition people just wouldnt use it. and the fact that people think there is nothing wrong with it just blows my mind.
deadsmell on Mar 29 2008 12:29PMdude this is one of the few games out there that gives gamers the opportunity to have really good firefights.
when did people get so clueless. if you want a reflex game play unreal tournament.
i guess nobody at ggl is qualified to make the decision to ban the gl. At least teamcompete.com acknowledges the gl in the rules.
i didnt realize this was the state competitive gaming was in. I thought i was going to get to play some of the best games, against the best players, but i get better competition just playing in public games.
I think its even crazier that more people dont feel the way i do about it. it makes no sense. i would take a firefight anyday. yeah it takes a little longer, and requires more effort, but thats the point.
The day frontlines came out, a friend of mine came over and watched me play for a bit. he doesnt even play games. even he saw the noob tube in action and said " jee thats gotta get old fast" thats a guy who doesnt even play video games noticing after a few minutes of observation that the noob tube is lame. i would just hope that in the interest and spirit of good competition people just wouldnt use it. and the fact that people think there is nothing wrong with it just blows my mind.
#26 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Mar 29 2008 2:52PM
"i didnt realize this was the state competitive gaming was in. I thought i was going to get to play some of the best games, against the best players, but i get better competition just playing in public games."
I say this with nothing but respect, but how can you say that when you're losing? I think you might mean that you have more fun just playing in public games. People enjoy winning.
I really don't care what the settings are, as long as Aim Assist stays off. I feel that the same teams winning now will also be the teams winning if the Assault class was banned. Fact of the matter is that it is really hard to practice as is, banning classes not only removes a ton of practice of the teams involved but it also makes it harder to maintain rooms to practice in.
Skyllus vBi on Mar 29 2008 2:52PM"i didnt realize this was the state competitive gaming was in. I thought i was going to get to play some of the best games, against the best players, but i get better competition just playing in public games."
I say this with nothing but respect, but how can you say that when you're losing? I think you might mean that you have more fun just playing in public games. People enjoy winning.
I really don't care what the settings are, as long as Aim Assist stays off. I feel that the same teams winning now will also be the teams winning if the Assault class was banned. Fact of the matter is that it is really hard to practice as is, banning classes not only removes a ton of practice of the teams involved but it also makes it harder to maintain rooms to practice in.
#27 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 29 2008 4:34PM
it is common knowledge that the gl is way out of wack. its the number one complaint for both pc and xbox gamers on the kaos forums. check the archives too. this is old news.
i cant tell you how backwards it is that this tournament rewards cheap gameplay. i think it does a great disservice to the community, and all gamers for that matter. i guess we wont know who would win in a fight without grenade launchers as long as people keep using them. its a cheap easy kill and if your honest with yourself you shouldnt need me to tell you.
i dont use it. yeah i do enjoy winning, but winning isnt everything. im just saying players are showing each other more respect in public games than they are in this tournament by not using it.
you really think Kaos spent 3 years with this game. getting all the roles and classes figured out, just to have it boil down to running around with your grenade launcher. its not even fun. even if you win theres no fun in using that thing.
i think people wont admit that they think its cheap because they have become so dependent on it. thats the only reason i can think of.
if anything, its some of the people in this tournament that cant handle a loss. thats why they use the tube.
i am new to this site, but it just seems bass ackwards to me.
heres a perfect example of the mentality this tournament has by allowing the tube. when i pointed out that those guys dont even barely play this game and all they do is tube for the tournament. he responded, with something like he was laughing his ass off because we actually play this game and practice. like thats a joke. what kind of gamer thinks its lame to practice a game. oh so they were just born good..ok.. more like why bother practice when all i have to do is use this cheap ass insta killer.
cmon you guys be honest with yourselves, this issue is crystal clear.
maybe we will get the update next week. if we do it should nerf the gl. then we will see whos who. but then again we might not get the update till after the tournament is over.
its funny though how almost everyone that i talk with about this game, or have played with all agree that the gl sucks and shouldnt be used by any self respecting gamer. that is except for the people in this tournament. i was expecting more regulation in a structured cash prize tournament. with these rules seriously, its not what i had in mind at all.
i know im an easy target to just say im a sore loser or whatever, but i really wanted this tournament to be a place where i could meet and play against some really good players.
if i wanted this style of play id go buy halo and find the youngest players i could find and just play with them.
i cant even fathom how or why you guys refuse to acknowledge that the gl needs to be nerfed.
deadsmell on Mar 29 2008 4:34PMit is common knowledge that the gl is way out of wack. its the number one complaint for both pc and xbox gamers on the kaos forums. check the archives too. this is old news.
i cant tell you how backwards it is that this tournament rewards cheap gameplay. i think it does a great disservice to the community, and all gamers for that matter. i guess we wont know who would win in a fight without grenade launchers as long as people keep using them. its a cheap easy kill and if your honest with yourself you shouldnt need me to tell you.
i dont use it. yeah i do enjoy winning, but winning isnt everything. im just saying players are showing each other more respect in public games than they are in this tournament by not using it.
you really think Kaos spent 3 years with this game. getting all the roles and classes figured out, just to have it boil down to running around with your grenade launcher. its not even fun. even if you win theres no fun in using that thing.
i think people wont admit that they think its cheap because they have become so dependent on it. thats the only reason i can think of.
if anything, its some of the people in this tournament that cant handle a loss. thats why they use the tube.
i am new to this site, but it just seems bass ackwards to me.
heres a perfect example of the mentality this tournament has by allowing the tube. when i pointed out that those guys dont even barely play this game and all they do is tube for the tournament. he responded, with something like he was laughing his ass off because we actually play this game and practice. like thats a joke. what kind of gamer thinks its lame to practice a game. oh so they were just born good..ok.. more like why bother practice when all i have to do is use this cheap ass insta killer.
cmon you guys be honest with yourselves, this issue is crystal clear.
maybe we will get the update next week. if we do it should nerf the gl. then we will see whos who. but then again we might not get the update till after the tournament is over.
its funny though how almost everyone that i talk with about this game, or have played with all agree that the gl sucks and shouldnt be used by any self respecting gamer. that is except for the people in this tournament. i was expecting more regulation in a structured cash prize tournament. with these rules seriously, its not what i had in mind at all.
i know im an easy target to just say im a sore loser or whatever, but i really wanted this tournament to be a place where i could meet and play against some really good players.
if i wanted this style of play id go buy halo and find the youngest players i could find and just play with them.
i cant even fathom how or why you guys refuse to acknowledge that the gl needs to be nerfed.
#28 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 29 2008 8:31PM
yeah we were born good :) but in all truth we really dont spend more than 10 hours on a game before were rippin it up, we do put more hours in on a fun game but once weve hit our sweet spot it dont matter if we play 100 hours or play 15 hours or go a month without playing we can pick up where we left off and continue rippin it up, and thats the truth. ive been playing games since atari and have always been really good at them. even if i dont use the GL i can still get just as many kills just as fast with headshots! even though i (might be the only person) do enjoy using the gl and getting those across the map kills as Skyllus vBi stated, and i also like destroying ppl up close and personal. also do u ever watch the mlg halo matches? they use the rocket launcher... alot, and thats a bigger pro gaming organization than ggl and they even use the reload glitch (hit melee during your reload for a faster reload) during the mlg pro finals. but one question why would u get rid of the whole assault kit? are u calling the assault rifle cheap also? cuz its just a gun. the shotgun, if used right can be just as "cheap" as the GL that is also called a noob tube in other games. but this subject can be argued over just as much as politics and religion so i aint gonna keep arguing. the gl in some games should banned in competitions, like ones that have one or two spawn areas for the GL that someone could camp the position, but if its a equal weapon that everyone can use just as much as the other i dont see a problem using it cuz it comes down to quickest reflexes and better skill with aiming, but again in mlg halo matches they camp the sniper spawn( a one hit kill weapon) to prevent the other team from using it..........so is that also cheap??? cuz the top mlg teams use that strategy so so so much. but hey its equal still if u can kill them before they kill you, then great cuz now u can camp the sniper spawn and tear it up! but theres always gonna be someone that complains about some kind of strategy or weapon in every game, competition everywhere. the best thing to do is ignore it and move on and keep doing the thing that is winning for you, until the opponent counters your strategy, then you change it up. i am done with this discussion, its giving me a headache cuz we can argue forever. opinions are just opinions. i just wanna say happy gaming to everyone and gool luck in the tournament if you lose you lose no matter how you lost its a loss so take it and move forward! good luck to all in the upcoming matches.
II6FUII EpIc
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 29 2008 8:31PMyeah we were born good :) but in all truth we really dont spend more than 10 hours on a game before were rippin it up, we do put more hours in on a fun game but once weve hit our sweet spot it dont matter if we play 100 hours or play 15 hours or go a month without playing we can pick up where we left off and continue rippin it up, and thats the truth. ive been playing games since atari and have always been really good at them. even if i dont use the GL i can still get just as many kills just as fast with headshots! even though i (might be the only person) do enjoy using the gl and getting those across the map kills as Skyllus vBi stated, and i also like destroying ppl up close and personal. also do u ever watch the mlg halo matches? they use the rocket launcher... alot, and thats a bigger pro gaming organization than ggl and they even use the reload glitch (hit melee during your reload for a faster reload) during the mlg pro finals. but one question why would u get rid of the whole assault kit? are u calling the assault rifle cheap also? cuz its just a gun. the shotgun, if used right can be just as "cheap" as the GL that is also called a noob tube in other games. but this subject can be argued over just as much as politics and religion so i aint gonna keep arguing. the gl in some games should banned in competitions, like ones that have one or two spawn areas for the GL that someone could camp the position, but if its a equal weapon that everyone can use just as much as the other i dont see a problem using it cuz it comes down to quickest reflexes and better skill with aiming, but again in mlg halo matches they camp the sniper spawn( a one hit kill weapon) to prevent the other team from using it..........so is that also cheap??? cuz the top mlg teams use that strategy so so so much. but hey its equal still if u can kill them before they kill you, then great cuz now u can camp the sniper spawn and tear it up! but theres always gonna be someone that complains about some kind of strategy or weapon in every game, competition everywhere. the best thing to do is ignore it and move on and keep doing the thing that is winning for you, until the opponent counters your strategy, then you change it up. i am done with this discussion, its giving me a headache cuz we can argue forever. opinions are just opinions. i just wanna say happy gaming to everyone and gool luck in the tournament if you lose you lose no matter how you lost its a loss so take it and move forward! good luck to all in the upcoming matches.
II6FUII EpIc
#29 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 10:44AM
yeah yeah its funny how everytime someone posts my words get all twisted around. i never said to ban the assault kit. yeah i got good on the demo after a few hours, but this game has more to offer than just quick kills. you need to dig a little deeper. if your still noob tubing, then your not that good. i use the close combat because i prefer the challenge. ANYONE can noob tube. i dont follow halo. i dont play halo or cod.
thats my point though, anyone can spend a few hours and get really good with the tube. your game hasnt evolved past the noob stage. and thats just the truth dude. people in public matches are playing a better game than you guys. somebody really needs to start a site that does it right. hopefully teamcompete.com will be the one to do this.
i want to play against the best, this tournament just rewards sloppy lazy gameplay, and i wish i hadnt participated.
not only does this website not even work, but they put this tournament together before they had even played the game it seems. there was little or not thought put into the rules of this tournament.
i dont know about mlg because i dont like any of the crap games they play, except maybe gears. its funny how people would rather leave it the way it is, than actually make it a challenge. its not the kind of gamers i want to be associated with.
deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 10:44AMyeah yeah its funny how everytime someone posts my words get all twisted around. i never said to ban the assault kit. yeah i got good on the demo after a few hours, but this game has more to offer than just quick kills. you need to dig a little deeper. if your still noob tubing, then your not that good. i use the close combat because i prefer the challenge. ANYONE can noob tube. i dont follow halo. i dont play halo or cod.
thats my point though, anyone can spend a few hours and get really good with the tube. your game hasnt evolved past the noob stage. and thats just the truth dude. people in public matches are playing a better game than you guys. somebody really needs to start a site that does it right. hopefully teamcompete.com will be the one to do this.
i want to play against the best, this tournament just rewards sloppy lazy gameplay, and i wish i hadnt participated.
not only does this website not even work, but they put this tournament together before they had even played the game it seems. there was little or not thought put into the rules of this tournament.
i dont know about mlg because i dont like any of the crap games they play, except maybe gears. its funny how people would rather leave it the way it is, than actually make it a challenge. its not the kind of gamers i want to be associated with.
#30 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 12:07PM
http://community.kaosstudios.com/showthread.php?t=5834
deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 12:07PMhttp://community.kaosstudios.com/showthread.php?t=5834
#31 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Mar 30 2008 5:53PM
I've been gone for the weekend but I just find it funny that you think a leaderboard...that is based solely off time played...actually matters.
Gibbs0o0 on Mar 30 2008 5:53PMI've been gone for the weekend but I just find it funny that you think a leaderboard...that is based solely off time played...actually matters.
#32 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 6:56PM
i find it equally amusing that you think that the amount of time played has no bearing on a players skill. i mean thats just plain moronic.
deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 6:56PMi find it equally amusing that you think that the amount of time played has no bearing on a players skill. i mean thats just plain moronic.
#33 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 7:04PM
and again your twisting my words, which is a sign of poor intelligence and a lack of a decent argument. lol, but anyway the point i was making was that you guys dont even play this game much and thats why your stuck on the tube.
i guess i will have to start choosing my words more carefully so i dont have to spell out every point im trying to make. i thought everything i had stated was clear enough, but i guess not.
you should go play with your noob tube so you dont get a headache from thinking sooo much like your partner did.
deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 7:04PMand again your twisting my words, which is a sign of poor intelligence and a lack of a decent argument. lol, but anyway the point i was making was that you guys dont even play this game much and thats why your stuck on the tube.
i guess i will have to start choosing my words more carefully so i dont have to spell out every point im trying to make. i thought everything i had stated was clear enough, but i guess not.
you should go play with your noob tube so you dont get a headache from thinking sooo much like your partner did.
#34 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 7:06PM
if you guys want a rematch your gonna have to lose the tube, and your gonna have to sign off on this forum stating that you wont use it. whats the matter? scared of what might happen?
deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 7:06PMif you guys want a rematch your gonna have to lose the tube, and your gonna have to sign off on this forum stating that you wont use it. whats the matter? scared of what might happen?
#35 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Mar 30 2008 9:44PM
I would say 20 hours is enough to learn this game kid. If you can't do it in at least 20 hours that is sad. Most good clans don't have to play a game much to know what they want to do and how they are going to win.
Hell why don't we just play on the crappy vehicle maps like Solar Farm while we are at and completely change the rules of a structured tournament.
Honestly kid if you want to challenge us then go ahead I don't really care about not using GL's. We need more exp anyway.
Gibbs0o0 on Mar 30 2008 9:44PMI would say 20 hours is enough to learn this game kid. If you can't do it in at least 20 hours that is sad. Most good clans don't have to play a game much to know what they want to do and how they are going to win.
Hell why don't we just play on the crappy vehicle maps like Solar Farm while we are at and completely change the rules of a structured tournament.
Honestly kid if you want to challenge us then go ahead I don't really care about not using GL's. We need more exp anyway.
#36 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 11:02PM
uh huh....
so does that mean your going to go tubeless or what? the way its worded leaves it open to interpretation.
it didnt even take me anywhere close to 20 hours to learn this game, and i never said it did, so i dont know where your drawing these distorted conclusions. do i need to reiterate the point i was trying to make once more?
are you guys willing to play us without using the grenade launcher?
same map. street. if so that would be great. i really dont want to hate you guys anymore. you play us without noob tubes, and maybe we can turn a new leaf and begin to respect one another.
deadsmell on Mar 30 2008 11:02PMuh huh....
so does that mean your going to go tubeless or what? the way its worded leaves it open to interpretation.
it didnt even take me anywhere close to 20 hours to learn this game, and i never said it did, so i dont know where your drawing these distorted conclusions. do i need to reiterate the point i was trying to make once more?
are you guys willing to play us without using the grenade launcher?
same map. street. if so that would be great. i really dont want to hate you guys anymore. you play us without noob tubes, and maybe we can turn a new leaf and begin to respect one another.
#37 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 30 2008 11:25PM
lol! is that the only map u know how to play? oh and we will play you without gl's but we host this time your server was horrible way too much lagg! so when your able to challenge us go ahead and do it so we can put you under (six feet under that is!) and shut you the hell up! but ill still have no respect for you cuz your gonna find something new to bitch about.
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 30 2008 11:25PMlol! is that the only map u know how to play? oh and we will play you without gl's but we host this time your server was horrible way too much lagg! so when your able to challenge us go ahead and do it so we can put you under (six feet under that is!) and shut you the hell up! but ill still have no respect for you cuz your gonna find something new to bitch about.
#38 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Mar 30 2008 11:40PM
"do it so we can put you under (six feet under that is!)"
Bad Epic. Bad.
:D
I imagine our guys would happily play you guys again without GL's if it means more EXP. I really just want to get games in before bracket play.
Skyllus vBi on Mar 30 2008 11:40PM"do it so we can put you under (six feet under that is!)"
Bad Epic. Bad.
:D
I imagine our guys would happily play you guys again without GL's if it means more EXP. I really just want to get games in before bracket play.
#39 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 5:37AM
lol! ugh! ........... yes team vbi we can also play u guys without gl's just send us a chalenge when you can or aim freydog and he can get it set up........
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 5:37AMlol! ugh! ........... yes team vbi we can also play u guys without gl's just send us a chalenge when you can or aim freydog and he can get it set up........
#40 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Mar 31 2008 10:13AM
i think Sky meant to play OGC without GL's. With vBi I would rather playing with Gl's on since they are actual competition in this ladder. ;) I talked to your boy Ractus so we will get our match when we can. (we have to wait for one week before playing you again) Hopefully we will play on a different map besides Street. >_
Gibbs0o0 on Mar 31 2008 10:13AMi think Sky meant to play OGC without GL's. With vBi I would rather playing with Gl's on since they are actual competition in this ladder. ;) I talked to your boy Ractus so we will get our match when we can. (we have to wait for one week before playing you again) Hopefully we will play on a different map besides Street. >_
#42 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Mar 31 2008 11:10AM
"wtf....nobody liked my idea of one GL per team?"
I've been thinking about it a bit. It is better than banning it altogether. I'd just be worried that we'd all really be watching a 1v1 match between the 2 teams Assault players.
Epic: I did mean OGC.
OGC: As an aside, I'd highly recommend playing with GL's in any matches you do. They are unlikely to change the rules, and if you practice without it constantly then what exactly do you gain from those matches?
Skyllus vBi on Mar 31 2008 11:10AM"wtf....nobody liked my idea of one GL per team?"
I've been thinking about it a bit. It is better than banning it altogether. I'd just be worried that we'd all really be watching a 1v1 match between the 2 teams Assault players.
Epic: I did mean OGC.
OGC: As an aside, I'd highly recommend playing with GL's in any matches you do. They are unlikely to change the rules, and if you practice without it constantly then what exactly do you gain from those matches?
#43 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 3:26PM
OooOoo k man sorry hee hee :) well i was just... you know..... trying to make everyone happy! except that one guy! u know ... he smells dead people!
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 3:26PMOooOoo k man sorry hee hee :) well i was just... you know..... trying to make everyone happy! except that one guy! u know ... he smells dead people!
#44 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 31 2008 5:30PM
dammit ractus, dont fricking confuse it. its no grenade launchers. thats it. period.
yeah its funny that they banned c-4 but not grenade launchers.
it seems some people are friends with the admins and have a little pull around here. lame. admins shouldnt be corrupted. shame on you.
the only guy ive ever heard complain about c-4 was in this forum. so setting a legitimate trap is banned now, i dont care i dont use it anyway, i just think its bass ackwards. these people are supposed to be in santa monica right? damn dude im right down the street, maybe you need me to come down there and give you guys a little demonstration of the game. help you pull your heads out of your @sses while im at it. quit pandering to your friends and do the right thing. this site needs people like me a whole lot more than i need it.
might as well ban the land mines too right, we all know how annoying those anti- vehicle kits are, i mean they just dominate. taking away the c-4 just adds even more incentive to only use the assault kit(which means noob tube tournament apparently). great job on the site guys. cant wait to tell all my friends to register here. NOT! keep that advertising revenue rolling in.
i know you dont like me because i insult you, but you need it. you guys are so far off.
tell you what admins, how bout if we beat your precious little buddys in a fair game without noob tubes, you make the rule to ban gl's. sound fair? any takers?
vbi i would really like to play you guys in a tube free environment. anytime.
dude i dont even want to play in a tube tournament. its not my style at all. it says in the rules, frontlines tournament game of skill, except theyve taken all the skill out of it and just left the tournament.
i picked street again, because i want to show you exactly what happens to you on the same map when you dont have your noob tube. makes sense right?
deadsmell on Mar 31 2008 5:30PMdammit ractus, dont fricking confuse it. its no grenade launchers. thats it. period.
yeah its funny that they banned c-4 but not grenade launchers.
it seems some people are friends with the admins and have a little pull around here. lame. admins shouldnt be corrupted. shame on you.
the only guy ive ever heard complain about c-4 was in this forum. so setting a legitimate trap is banned now, i dont care i dont use it anyway, i just think its bass ackwards. these people are supposed to be in santa monica right? damn dude im right down the street, maybe you need me to come down there and give you guys a little demonstration of the game. help you pull your heads out of your @sses while im at it. quit pandering to your friends and do the right thing. this site needs people like me a whole lot more than i need it.
might as well ban the land mines too right, we all know how annoying those anti- vehicle kits are, i mean they just dominate. taking away the c-4 just adds even more incentive to only use the assault kit(which means noob tube tournament apparently). great job on the site guys. cant wait to tell all my friends to register here. NOT! keep that advertising revenue rolling in.
i know you dont like me because i insult you, but you need it. you guys are so far off.
tell you what admins, how bout if we beat your precious little buddys in a fair game without noob tubes, you make the rule to ban gl's. sound fair? any takers?
vbi i would really like to play you guys in a tube free environment. anytime.
dude i dont even want to play in a tube tournament. its not my style at all. it says in the rules, frontlines tournament game of skill, except theyve taken all the skill out of it and just left the tournament.
i picked street again, because i want to show you exactly what happens to you on the same map when you dont have your noob tube. makes sense right?
#45 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 7:12PM
hey dude do you know why the c4 is banned by chance? any idea or u just runnin your mouth again? cmon gimme a reason why its banned since you have so many hours in the game you should know....
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 7:12PMhey dude do you know why the c4 is banned by chance? any idea or u just runnin your mouth again? cmon gimme a reason why its banned since you have so many hours in the game you should know....
#46 Posted By: deadsmell on Mar 31 2008 10:15PM
yeah yeah i know... i know.... if a player used too much c-4 in a match it could blow right through your t.v. screen into your living room. its a safety thing i get it.
deadsmell on Mar 31 2008 10:15PMyeah yeah i know... i know.... if a player used too much c-4 in a match it could blow right through your t.v. screen into your living room. its a safety thing i get it.
#47 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 10:33PM
yeah see you dont even know the reason why its banned that shows just how much you know about the game for spending all those hours on the game man that is a sad sad situation dude. really thats pretty bad
II6FUII-EpIc on Mar 31 2008 10:33PMyeah see you dont even know the reason why its banned that shows just how much you know about the game for spending all those hours on the game man that is a sad sad situation dude. really thats pretty bad
#48 Posted By: Ractus on Apr 1 2008 7:16AM
Epic, its kind of funny how you know why its banned, because I dont see any topic about it on the forums. Nothing, this was a move done behind our backs, why even bother voting on the GL, your going to keep it.
We all have an idea why c-4 was "banned", you idiot. but the "admin" didnt say why, just that its gone; why? was it via a personal request from one of the teams? hmmm, who could that be?
Ive heard that GGL was corrupt, by quite a few players, either let us vote on everything or dont ban anything. Dont worry, Kaos will be here soon.
Ractus on Apr 1 2008 7:16AMEpic, its kind of funny how you know why its banned, because I dont see any topic about it on the forums. Nothing, this was a move done behind our backs, why even bother voting on the GL, your going to keep it.
We all have an idea why c-4 was "banned", you idiot. but the "admin" didnt say why, just that its gone; why? was it via a personal request from one of the teams? hmmm, who could that be?
Ive heard that GGL was corrupt, by quite a few players, either let us vote on everything or dont ban anything. Dont worry, Kaos will be here soon.
#49 Posted By: Ractus on Apr 1 2008 3:02PM
Im sorry for getting hostile, I was hungover when I wrote that.
Instead of banning C-4, why not just dissallow the Spec op/Drone tech combo, Im pretty sure we could all agree to that.
I dont think its very fair to ban one item and not the other, and I really dont think anybody would would use an exploit once it exsposed and risk a dispute and disqualification
Ractus on Apr 1 2008 3:02PMIm sorry for getting hostile, I was hungover when I wrote that.
Instead of banning C-4, why not just dissallow the Spec op/Drone tech combo, Im pretty sure we could all agree to that.
I dont think its very fair to ban one item and not the other, and I really dont think anybody would would use an exploit once it exsposed and risk a dispute and disqualification
#50 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 3:40PM
its is fair to ban c-4 its the cheapest weapon in the game yet still no one seems to know why, as soon as i seen the post about it, i was like finally.... we found how cheap it was as soon as we discovered the glitch in the c-4, if you only knew man its so cheap it could totally ruin the whole game if ppl found out and it was never banned. banning the c-4 was the best thing to do!
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 3:40PMits is fair to ban c-4 its the cheapest weapon in the game yet still no one seems to know why, as soon as i seen the post about it, i was like finally.... we found how cheap it was as soon as we discovered the glitch in the c-4, if you only knew man its so cheap it could totally ruin the whole game if ppl found out and it was never banned. banning the c-4 was the best thing to do!
#51 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 3:48PM
oh and ractus "idiot" why was c-4 banned? hmmmmmmmm? idiot? cmon idiot! what too much of an idiot? stupid idiot!
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 3:48PMoh and ractus "idiot" why was c-4 banned? hmmmmmmmm? idiot? cmon idiot! what too much of an idiot? stupid idiot!
#52 Posted By: Ractus on Apr 1 2008 4:22PM
geez dont get your panties in a bunch.
Uh lets see, why was it banned? hmm, it seems that as of now, the only proof that you've given us is because 6FTU wanted it banned. I apologized before, but now you've just proven your status as an idividual.
I think this tourney is small enough that we trust the players not to use serious exploits, at least I know my team won't.
and btw guys if your really worried about exploit abuse, you will have to ban the drone tech all together, might as well ban the sentry gun as well. oh, and dont forget about the lag, we must ban the lag. You know hand grenades can be questionable in any Tourney as well, they gotta go to. And I dont think its fair the way Rockets can shoot around corners Or how about the way a good snipe shot can kill yet two bullets from from a spec op gun to the head will only leave you severly wounded.
its not fair to ban the C-4, actually lets just ban everything, and make it melee only
Ractus on Apr 1 2008 4:22PMgeez dont get your panties in a bunch.
Uh lets see, why was it banned? hmm, it seems that as of now, the only proof that you've given us is because 6FTU wanted it banned. I apologized before, but now you've just proven your status as an idividual.
I think this tourney is small enough that we trust the players not to use serious exploits, at least I know my team won't.
and btw guys if your really worried about exploit abuse, you will have to ban the drone tech all together, might as well ban the sentry gun as well. oh, and dont forget about the lag, we must ban the lag. You know hand grenades can be questionable in any Tourney as well, they gotta go to. And I dont think its fair the way Rockets can shoot around corners Or how about the way a good snipe shot can kill yet two bullets from from a spec op gun to the head will only leave you severly wounded.
its not fair to ban the C-4, actually lets just ban everything, and make it melee only
#53 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Apr 1 2008 4:43PM
I think you're clouding your argument with the overabundance of sarcasm, and a general need to disagree with anything. For example, you're arguing for grenade launchers to be banned, yet complaining that C4 got banned and campaigning for it to be in. At least, that is the impression which I gather from your posts. It leads to a poor logical argument overall.
I imagine they banned C4 since I mentioned it as an example either earlier in this thread or the other in an example of how the grenade launcher can nullify what I considered another cheap weapon (My example was that when I played you guys we caught a guy laying C4 on a base and blew up his C4 with a grenade, killing him). I don't think 6FU had said anything on the matter until now, and I do agree with both his points.
Just give it a rest guys. Both sides arguments sound ridiculous now and are full of personal attacks which have no bearing on the arguments.
Skyllus vBi on Apr 1 2008 4:43PMI think you're clouding your argument with the overabundance of sarcasm, and a general need to disagree with anything. For example, you're arguing for grenade launchers to be banned, yet complaining that C4 got banned and campaigning for it to be in. At least, that is the impression which I gather from your posts. It leads to a poor logical argument overall.
I imagine they banned C4 since I mentioned it as an example either earlier in this thread or the other in an example of how the grenade launcher can nullify what I considered another cheap weapon (My example was that when I played you guys we caught a guy laying C4 on a base and blew up his C4 with a grenade, killing him). I don't think 6FU had said anything on the matter until now, and I do agree with both his points.
Just give it a rest guys. Both sides arguments sound ridiculous now and are full of personal attacks which have no bearing on the arguments.
#54 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Apr 1 2008 6:54PM
C4 was banned simply because it cannot be blow up by a gun or grenad eit must be blown up by the user...so you could place it around a territory and just blow it up once its neutralized or when you see them on it. Also 6FU didn't want it banned...from all our matches I'm pretty sure we were the only team using it as a defensive strat so I guess it actually hurts us but it does make sense to ban it that weapon is severely broken. Epic was just pissed at deadsmell..because he thinks hes god at this game and knows everything but had no idea why C4 was banned. Its pretty obvious. Epic did get a little hostile...so I'll apologize for him. =p
Gibbs0o0 on Apr 1 2008 6:54PMC4 was banned simply because it cannot be blow up by a gun or grenad eit must be blown up by the user...so you could place it around a territory and just blow it up once its neutralized or when you see them on it. Also 6FU didn't want it banned...from all our matches I'm pretty sure we were the only team using it as a defensive strat so I guess it actually hurts us but it does make sense to ban it that weapon is severely broken. Epic was just pissed at deadsmell..because he thinks hes god at this game and knows everything but had no idea why C4 was banned. Its pretty obvious. Epic did get a little hostile...so I'll apologize for him. =p
#55 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 10:36PM
lol yeah gibbs you dont need to apologize im sorry its all good lets just play some games!
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 10:36PMlol yeah gibbs you dont need to apologize im sorry its all good lets just play some games!
#56 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 10:39PM
but yes the c-4 is indestructible cant blow that thing up man!
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 1 2008 10:39PMbut yes the c-4 is indestructible cant blow that thing up man!
#58 Posted By: deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 12:02PM
its funny planting c-4 and sabotaging an objective sounds pretty much exactly like something a spec ops would do in real life. furthermore are you actually suggesting that you can locate the c-4 before it detonates? unless its in an incredibly obvious area i highly doubt you are able to locate c-4 that easily. and once the spec ops is killed his c-4 goes away. thats how you destroy it.
its just ridiculous when you compare it to the grenade launcher. which is way too accurate and overpowered, its also mobile not to mention over used by some. its like a c-4 launcher thats incredibly effortless and accurate.
the c-4 is used tactically. i see no problem with that. your not running around c-4 ing people with the greatest of ease.
one member of our team prefers the spec ops rifle, so where does that leave him. spec ops was completely turned off in our last match, so once again we get punished for not using the noob tube.
somebody told me they played with gibbs when the game came out, and that was the first thing he said, was that the grenade launcher was too overpowered. i guess youve changed your mind about that.
i never said i was god on this game. but i definitely have a different opinion than you guys as to what exactly makes a good game. running around noob tubing isnt it. i just want to have some good games. its sad that i have to go through ALL this just to try and get a good game going.
as far as personal attacks, im not the one going "idiot! whats wrong stupid idiot! are you an idiot or just an idiot!" cmon dude, my argument has been well articulated, and i havent once done anything as juvenile as that.
anyway, i feel like theres really nothing more i can say on the matter, im tired of butting heads on here. yeah im dissapointed, but oh well, this is the first tournament, ive ever been in, so ive learned alot about how stuff works, or how it should work, and i dont think ggl is where its at.
hopefully there will be another frontlines tournament that will have more thought put into it.
as far as our match, i just dont trust you guys, so i would like it if you agree to the no noob tube rule on this forum before our match please. im sure you want a piece of me as much as i want you so just agree to it and sign off. even if you lose its just one match, so whats the big deal?
deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 12:02PMits funny planting c-4 and sabotaging an objective sounds pretty much exactly like something a spec ops would do in real life. furthermore are you actually suggesting that you can locate the c-4 before it detonates? unless its in an incredibly obvious area i highly doubt you are able to locate c-4 that easily. and once the spec ops is killed his c-4 goes away. thats how you destroy it.
its just ridiculous when you compare it to the grenade launcher. which is way too accurate and overpowered, its also mobile not to mention over used by some. its like a c-4 launcher thats incredibly effortless and accurate.
the c-4 is used tactically. i see no problem with that. your not running around c-4 ing people with the greatest of ease.
one member of our team prefers the spec ops rifle, so where does that leave him. spec ops was completely turned off in our last match, so once again we get punished for not using the noob tube.
somebody told me they played with gibbs when the game came out, and that was the first thing he said, was that the grenade launcher was too overpowered. i guess youve changed your mind about that.
i never said i was god on this game. but i definitely have a different opinion than you guys as to what exactly makes a good game. running around noob tubing isnt it. i just want to have some good games. its sad that i have to go through ALL this just to try and get a good game going.
as far as personal attacks, im not the one going "idiot! whats wrong stupid idiot! are you an idiot or just an idiot!" cmon dude, my argument has been well articulated, and i havent once done anything as juvenile as that.
anyway, i feel like theres really nothing more i can say on the matter, im tired of butting heads on here. yeah im dissapointed, but oh well, this is the first tournament, ive ever been in, so ive learned alot about how stuff works, or how it should work, and i dont think ggl is where its at.
hopefully there will be another frontlines tournament that will have more thought put into it.
as far as our match, i just dont trust you guys, so i would like it if you agree to the no noob tube rule on this forum before our match please. im sure you want a piece of me as much as i want you so just agree to it and sign off. even if you lose its just one match, so whats the big deal?
#59 Posted By: Kaos-DanMatlack on Apr 3 2008 1:10PM
See now, I for one, happen to like the grenade launcher the way it is. Same goes for the C4. Of course this is just a personal opinion. Yet again, I am kind of bias on the subject. :) However, from reading what I've read so far... I'd say everything is fine.
In my opinion, when you enter a tournament surrounding a game, everyone enters with the same expectations and the same game. Thus, you must learn to adapt better/faster than your opponent to win at any given time. If no one is "cheating" per say with hacks and what not, then you are all on an even playing field to start the match. As a competitor, how could you ever ask for more?
Of course, in the future, with updates, we may balance some things out, right now, during this competition, the game is what it is and the team that can learn to adapt or even exploit the game's strengths and weaknesses, will ultimately, be the winner.
Good luck guys! :)
Kaos-DanMatlack on Apr 3 2008 1:10PMSee now, I for one, happen to like the grenade launcher the way it is. Same goes for the C4. Of course this is just a personal opinion. Yet again, I am kind of bias on the subject. :) However, from reading what I've read so far... I'd say everything is fine.
In my opinion, when you enter a tournament surrounding a game, everyone enters with the same expectations and the same game. Thus, you must learn to adapt better/faster than your opponent to win at any given time. If no one is "cheating" per say with hacks and what not, then you are all on an even playing field to start the match. As a competitor, how could you ever ask for more?
Of course, in the future, with updates, we may balance some things out, right now, during this competition, the game is what it is and the team that can learn to adapt or even exploit the game's strengths and weaknesses, will ultimately, be the winner.
Good luck guys! :)
#60 Posted By: Ractus on Apr 3 2008 1:38PM
Thank you Dan!
the lead technical designer himself....one of the guys that worked on baslancing this game out for three or so years.
the c-4 beeps, thats a dead give away; and you can destroy the C4, just kill the handler.
Ractus on Apr 3 2008 1:38PMThank you Dan!
the lead technical designer himself....one of the guys that worked on baslancing this game out for three or so years.
the c-4 beeps, thats a dead give away; and you can destroy the C4, just kill the handler.
#61 Posted By: Ractus on Apr 3 2008 1:41PM
and lets make it clear, OGC is not calling for any kind of ban of anything, its just one of my players.
Ractus on Apr 3 2008 1:41PMand lets make it clear, OGC is not calling for any kind of ban of anything, its just one of my players.
#62 Posted By: Kaos-DanMatlack on Apr 3 2008 2:53PM
Actually, I'm just one of many Kaosians who have worked on the game. Our Design Director is Dave Votypka and the lead Technical Designer is Brian Holinka. Can't take credit where it isn't due. Though I have personally worked on balancing both the c4 and the grenade launcher.
Balancing is a very difficult thing for a game with so many combinations of kits... any game for that matter. Sometimes, in the right hands, the GL can seem very powerful. Other times, it's useless. It really depends on the map and the user. Now if we make it weaker so that Street becomes more friendly, then it is completely useless on a more open map like Village. So we try and find a nice balance that works suitably for everything in the game. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes we don't. That's why we listen to you guys and have updates and patches. As far as the C4 goes, we can consider making it destructible by weapons fire. I'm not sure that it has ever come up before, but we will definitely look into that and how it may effect balance.
Of course, as it stands now, you have what you have to play with. So, set your rules, make your matches, leave no one left standing and most of all, have fun. :)
Kaos-DanMatlack on Apr 3 2008 2:53PMActually, I'm just one of many Kaosians who have worked on the game. Our Design Director is Dave Votypka and the lead Technical Designer is Brian Holinka. Can't take credit where it isn't due. Though I have personally worked on balancing both the c4 and the grenade launcher.
Balancing is a very difficult thing for a game with so many combinations of kits... any game for that matter. Sometimes, in the right hands, the GL can seem very powerful. Other times, it's useless. It really depends on the map and the user. Now if we make it weaker so that Street becomes more friendly, then it is completely useless on a more open map like Village. So we try and find a nice balance that works suitably for everything in the game. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes we don't. That's why we listen to you guys and have updates and patches. As far as the C4 goes, we can consider making it destructible by weapons fire. I'm not sure that it has ever come up before, but we will definitely look into that and how it may effect balance.
Of course, as it stands now, you have what you have to play with. So, set your rules, make your matches, leave no one left standing and most of all, have fun. :)
#63 Posted By: deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 4:11PM
ractus is there an asshole on the planet that you wont stick your nose into?
deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 4:11PMractus is there an asshole on the planet that you wont stick your nose into?
#64 Posted By: deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 4:20PM
if thats the stance kaos has on the gl, i may be trading it in sooner than i had hoped. oh well, maybe they'll get it right next time. it seems foolish to say theres nothing wrong with it, just because your too proud, and or the company policy is to say that everythings fine with the game even though its not. reminds me of EA, and thats why i dont buy their games anymore.
Kaos really doesnt think the assault kit has a major balance issue? i mean even without the gl, the assault rifle dominates every other weapon.
deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 4:20PMif thats the stance kaos has on the gl, i may be trading it in sooner than i had hoped. oh well, maybe they'll get it right next time. it seems foolish to say theres nothing wrong with it, just because your too proud, and or the company policy is to say that everythings fine with the game even though its not. reminds me of EA, and thats why i dont buy their games anymore.
Kaos really doesnt think the assault kit has a major balance issue? i mean even without the gl, the assault rifle dominates every other weapon.
#65 Posted By: Kaos-DanMatlack on Apr 3 2008 4:35PM
Actually, deadsmell, we are currently doing re-balancing on that particular weapon. As well as a few others. It's a constant process sometimes. And I did say, quite clearly, that "I" liked the GL the way it was and that it was solely a "personal" preference. That means it is not officially meaning anything as far as Kaos is concerned. And I'm quite sure I also did not say there wasn't anything wrong with the game nor any particular weapon. We are all well aware of issues within the game and with game play. These are things we are constantly working on. As far as I know, we have no company policy to say "all is well" either, lol, though I like that one. And yes, we are all very proud of our game and are constantly working very hard to continue to support it and make it better.
However, this is not the place for discussing these types of things. This is a forum for GGL tourney. :) If you'd like to chat further about balance, or anything else, you're always welcome to message me on msn.
Kaos-DanMatlack on Apr 3 2008 4:35PMActually, deadsmell, we are currently doing re-balancing on that particular weapon. As well as a few others. It's a constant process sometimes. And I did say, quite clearly, that "I" liked the GL the way it was and that it was solely a "personal" preference. That means it is not officially meaning anything as far as Kaos is concerned. And I'm quite sure I also did not say there wasn't anything wrong with the game nor any particular weapon. We are all well aware of issues within the game and with game play. These are things we are constantly working on. As far as I know, we have no company policy to say "all is well" either, lol, though I like that one. And yes, we are all very proud of our game and are constantly working very hard to continue to support it and make it better.
However, this is not the place for discussing these types of things. This is a forum for GGL tourney. :) If you'd like to chat further about balance, or anything else, you're always welcome to message me on msn.
#66 Posted By: deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 5:24PM
thanks dan, sorry to jump all over you. im just frustrated.
deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 5:24PMthanks dan, sorry to jump all over you. im just frustrated.
#67 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Apr 3 2008 7:18PM
The grenade launcher is overpowered but if both teams have it I don't really mind. It still makes it an even playing field. In a real match its not so easy just to kill the c4 handler. People are not dumb they aren't going to be on the frontline if they have c4 placed on a base that you can't avoid. Well you are basically gonna die simple as that.
My biggest complaint is how late the change is being done. If at first there was no GLs then I wouldn't care.
Gibbs0o0 on Apr 3 2008 7:18PMThe grenade launcher is overpowered but if both teams have it I don't really mind. It still makes it an even playing field. In a real match its not so easy just to kill the c4 handler. People are not dumb they aren't going to be on the frontline if they have c4 placed on a base that you can't avoid. Well you are basically gonna die simple as that.
My biggest complaint is how late the change is being done. If at first there was no GLs then I wouldn't care.
#68 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 3 2008 8:44PM
5 kills 16 deaths................ with no GL's! hes in the top 100 of the leader board......... um good game man, gooooooooood game!
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 3 2008 8:44PM5 kills 16 deaths................ with no GL's! hes in the top 100 of the leader board......... um good game man, gooooooooood game!
#69 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Apr 3 2008 8:47PM
lol epic I knew you would be the first to post...good game guys I'm just glad we won't have to hear him complain about our first game anymore. Hopefully see you guys during the brackets so we can play different maps. Too much street love around these parts. =p
Gibbs0o0 on Apr 3 2008 8:47PMlol epic I knew you would be the first to post...good game guys I'm just glad we won't have to hear him complain about our first game anymore. Hopefully see you guys during the brackets so we can play different maps. Too much street love around these parts. =p
#70 Posted By: deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 8:58PM
yeah you guys played a good game. like i said this is my first tournament, and i barely know these guys, weve only played together a handful of times. you guys are definitely good enough that you shouldnt need the gl. but i guess you have earned the right to use it if you want.
you have to admit, that has to feel better than noob tubing your way to victory though. youve earned my repsect. i look forward to playing you guys again. street is a good map, just cause it was in the demo doesnt mean its bad. especially for 4x4. street is a great map.
i have to say to vbi looks awseome too. they are a great team, and they played a way superior game.
deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 8:58PMyeah you guys played a good game. like i said this is my first tournament, and i barely know these guys, weve only played together a handful of times. you guys are definitely good enough that you shouldnt need the gl. but i guess you have earned the right to use it if you want.
you have to admit, that has to feel better than noob tubing your way to victory though. youve earned my repsect. i look forward to playing you guys again. street is a good map, just cause it was in the demo doesnt mean its bad. especially for 4x4. street is a great map.
i have to say to vbi looks awseome too. they are a great team, and they played a way superior game.
#71 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 3 2008 8:58PM
hey i wasnt pointing any fingers you just blew my cover gibbs! thanx home slice! but yes good game was fun, street is our worst map, im bored with it. i hope the bracket changes up a lil and makes it one round on all three maps that would be great!
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 3 2008 8:58PMhey i wasnt pointing any fingers you just blew my cover gibbs! thanx home slice! but yes good game was fun, street is our worst map, im bored with it. i hope the bracket changes up a lil and makes it one round on all three maps that would be great!
#72 Posted By: Gibbs0o0 on Apr 3 2008 9:05PM
Meh I would rather use GL anyday. The whole lets both strafe until my laggy shots hit is boring.
Gibbs0o0 on Apr 3 2008 9:05PMMeh I would rather use GL anyday. The whole lets both strafe until my laggy shots hit is boring.
#73 Posted By: II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 3 2008 9:21PM
yes its really just annoying id much rather just get the kill over with.
II6FUII-EpIc on Apr 3 2008 9:21PMyes its really just annoying id much rather just get the kill over with.
#74 Posted By: Skyllus vBi on Apr 3 2008 9:21PM
After playing no GL match tonight, I feel:
GL ON=Faster Pace, More Individual Oriented.
GL OFF=More Tactical, More Teamwork Oriented.
Both have their merits.
Skyllus vBi on Apr 3 2008 9:21PMAfter playing no GL match tonight, I feel:
GL ON=Faster Pace, More Individual Oriented.
GL OFF=More Tactical, More Teamwork Oriented.
Both have their merits.
#75 Posted By: deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 9:28PM
yeah i couldnt seem to hit anything. i dont know if thats the aim assist, or lag, (or alchohol) but it can be hard to get a feel for.
oh well im not making excuses, you guys are by far a better team.
im not gonna say another word about the gl. im pretty sure everyone knows how i feel about it anyway.
deadsmell on Apr 3 2008 9:28PMyeah i couldnt seem to hit anything. i dont know if thats the aim assist, or lag, (or alchohol) but it can be hard to get a feel for.
oh well im not making excuses, you guys are by far a better team.
im not gonna say another word about the gl. im pretty sure everyone knows how i feel about it anyway.
#77 Posted By: Ractus on Apr 4 2008 8:46AM
"ractus is there an asshole on the planet that you wont stick your nose into? "
bye deadsmell, its been "fun"
Ractus on Apr 4 2008 8:46AM"ractus is there an asshole on the planet that you wont stick your nose into? "
bye deadsmell, its been "fun"
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